Post by Think2Succeed on Dec 2, 2015 8:19:21 GMT -5
This is the thread for the best posts we've found online...all in one place for easier reference (you can either copy the entire message and post it here as a reply- make sure you give the original poster credit for it or you can just provide the link to the post). Also please number the post for easier reference to it. I will add more in the future as well...
1. Posted by dig_a_little_deeper_1 on Dec 2nd 2015
Can Arrowhead become the first trillion dollar market cap company?
This seems like a ludicrous question when Arrowhead is trading at MC of 360M.
This is early in the development of this company, so lots of things can go wrong. The point of the question is, are all the things that are necessary to break that trillion $ barrier present in this tiny company.
So the first question is what it will take?
CNBC refers to companies that are changing the world as disrupters.
Apple is a really good example of a disrupter company and really is still close to that lofty goal of a trillion $ MC. Apple technology changed the music industry (iPod) phone industry (iPhone) and the computer industry (iPad). This is an impressive list of accomplishments for 1 company.
Can Arrowhead technology change the Drug industry?
The biggest drug companies on the planet have spent Billions chasing RNAi. The way I understand RNAI is the DNA sits in the nucleus of the cell and gives orders (RNA) to the Ribosome to generate different proteins. What RNAi does is silences these messages so the proteins are never made. This is how ARC-520 For example can Knock Down s-AG, e-AG, Cr-AG and X in HBV. There are several reasons that these companies spent so much time and money pursing this technology.
1) No disease is undruggable, this is especially important in oncology, where many important targets have proven undruggable.
2) If you can prove you can do it (safely) once you should be able to do it over and over again.
The problem these companies ran into when developing RNAI was delivering to the target without causing Adverse Effects (AE). These programs were in the works for years without delivering results, so they were the first programs that got cut when companies downsized.
In 2011 Arrowhead acquired Roche assets and IP. Roche had spent nearly 800M on the RNAi program,
As it turns out the big prize in the deal was, Roche Madison Inc. (formerly Mirus Bio Corporation,), providing an advanced proprietary RNAi delivery platform known as Dynamic PolyCunjugates (DPCs)
With the DPCs Arrowhead got from Roche they are now destine to be the #1 RNAi Company
So far Arrowhead has dosed over 84 patients and has found No dose limiting toxicity. In fact they have not found even minor recurring AE. They have reported the Highest KD in Animals, Highest KD in Humans and the ability to move out side of the liver.
To top it off in 2015 Arrowhead acquired the RNAi assets of Novartis. Novartis spent a decade and nearly a Billion dollars on the research and IP they developed. They have already started to use this IP in drugs they are developing (ARC-F12) and (ARC-LPA).
Armed with nearly 2 Billion dollars in IP from big pharma and some impressive results in humans. It is very apparent that arrowhead has the technology to be a disrupter in the Drug industry.
The next question is do they have the talent to pull it off?
On November 17 presentation one of the chimps (Manetta) showed 98% reduction in s-AG 32 weeks after the last ARC-520 injection. The chart shows that the last labs were drawn on day 477 in the study
477 days prior to November 17 2015 is August 8, 2014
The chimp study started ARC-520 dosing around July 2014
The first doses of siHBV-I were given in the January 2015
In the span of 6 months the Arrowhead team
1) Determined the KD in the chimps was not what they expected.
2) Determined the s-AG was coming from the integrated DNA.
3) Found the Trigger they needed to use to turn off the s-AG coming from the integrated DNA.
4) Developed the drug.
5) Manufactured the drug
6) Tested the drug.
Around April the Arrowhead team had tested what will be ARC-521 in the chimps. 1 year for animal testing for a May IND for ARC-521. This removes any uncertainty that Arrowhead can be a disruptive force in the drug industry
2. Posted by hparch as a reply to the above post on Dec 2nd 2015
dig;
My thoughts, exactly, and I have posted as much over the past year, only, your post sums up the more recent AD data and information into the whole equation, making it that much more calculable.
In order for ARWR, or any company, to become a $1trillion+ market cap company, they must be able to generate at least 1/10 of that amount, $100b in yearly sales (market cap = 10X forward projected annual sales). Is this possible?
Well, considering that there are thousands of diseases that can be treated throughout the human body, and ARWR's DPC can deliver RNAi to any location in the body (theoretically), lets use 1,500 diseases for a modest possible potential target market for ARWR.
Now, figure ARWR can achieve RNAi efficacious drugs for only 1/100 of them. That's 150 drugs.
If each drug can reach, say, only 500,000 patients per year, at a cost of $10,000/year, the math is:
150 x 500,000 x $10,000 = $750b. Of course, building up to that will requires years of staffing and IP development, but, ultimately, it IS possible to pierce that $100b annual sales revenue number, as you can see.
RNAi is not a permanent cure for many diseases, but, like ARC-AAT, an ongoing successful treatment, so, for those diseases, much of the revenue is recurring.
I also believe that we need to be conservative in revenue modeling, because, as you can see from what is happening even now, scrutiny of big Pharma's predatory pricing models is only heating up. It is wisest to price drugs reasonably and reach more of the patient market to compile revenues and profits - this is good both for the patients and the economy: my modles, therefore, always uses that pricing logic.
The information in your post above and the economics I have just spelled out are apparent and will be recognized by market investors once they are convinced beyond a doubt that ARWR has the goods and is on its way to this buisness model. Then, paying up at current prices is nothing compared to where it will be.
1. Posted by dig_a_little_deeper_1 on Dec 2nd 2015
Can Arrowhead become the first trillion dollar market cap company?
This seems like a ludicrous question when Arrowhead is trading at MC of 360M.
This is early in the development of this company, so lots of things can go wrong. The point of the question is, are all the things that are necessary to break that trillion $ barrier present in this tiny company.
So the first question is what it will take?
CNBC refers to companies that are changing the world as disrupters.
Apple is a really good example of a disrupter company and really is still close to that lofty goal of a trillion $ MC. Apple technology changed the music industry (iPod) phone industry (iPhone) and the computer industry (iPad). This is an impressive list of accomplishments for 1 company.
Can Arrowhead technology change the Drug industry?
The biggest drug companies on the planet have spent Billions chasing RNAi. The way I understand RNAI is the DNA sits in the nucleus of the cell and gives orders (RNA) to the Ribosome to generate different proteins. What RNAi does is silences these messages so the proteins are never made. This is how ARC-520 For example can Knock Down s-AG, e-AG, Cr-AG and X in HBV. There are several reasons that these companies spent so much time and money pursing this technology.
1) No disease is undruggable, this is especially important in oncology, where many important targets have proven undruggable.
2) If you can prove you can do it (safely) once you should be able to do it over and over again.
The problem these companies ran into when developing RNAI was delivering to the target without causing Adverse Effects (AE). These programs were in the works for years without delivering results, so they were the first programs that got cut when companies downsized.
In 2011 Arrowhead acquired Roche assets and IP. Roche had spent nearly 800M on the RNAi program,
As it turns out the big prize in the deal was, Roche Madison Inc. (formerly Mirus Bio Corporation,), providing an advanced proprietary RNAi delivery platform known as Dynamic PolyCunjugates (DPCs)
With the DPCs Arrowhead got from Roche they are now destine to be the #1 RNAi Company
So far Arrowhead has dosed over 84 patients and has found No dose limiting toxicity. In fact they have not found even minor recurring AE. They have reported the Highest KD in Animals, Highest KD in Humans and the ability to move out side of the liver.
To top it off in 2015 Arrowhead acquired the RNAi assets of Novartis. Novartis spent a decade and nearly a Billion dollars on the research and IP they developed. They have already started to use this IP in drugs they are developing (ARC-F12) and (ARC-LPA).
Armed with nearly 2 Billion dollars in IP from big pharma and some impressive results in humans. It is very apparent that arrowhead has the technology to be a disrupter in the Drug industry.
The next question is do they have the talent to pull it off?
On November 17 presentation one of the chimps (Manetta) showed 98% reduction in s-AG 32 weeks after the last ARC-520 injection. The chart shows that the last labs were drawn on day 477 in the study
477 days prior to November 17 2015 is August 8, 2014
The chimp study started ARC-520 dosing around July 2014
The first doses of siHBV-I were given in the January 2015
In the span of 6 months the Arrowhead team
1) Determined the KD in the chimps was not what they expected.
2) Determined the s-AG was coming from the integrated DNA.
3) Found the Trigger they needed to use to turn off the s-AG coming from the integrated DNA.
4) Developed the drug.
5) Manufactured the drug
6) Tested the drug.
Around April the Arrowhead team had tested what will be ARC-521 in the chimps. 1 year for animal testing for a May IND for ARC-521. This removes any uncertainty that Arrowhead can be a disruptive force in the drug industry
2. Posted by hparch as a reply to the above post on Dec 2nd 2015
dig;
My thoughts, exactly, and I have posted as much over the past year, only, your post sums up the more recent AD data and information into the whole equation, making it that much more calculable.
In order for ARWR, or any company, to become a $1trillion+ market cap company, they must be able to generate at least 1/10 of that amount, $100b in yearly sales (market cap = 10X forward projected annual sales). Is this possible?
Well, considering that there are thousands of diseases that can be treated throughout the human body, and ARWR's DPC can deliver RNAi to any location in the body (theoretically), lets use 1,500 diseases for a modest possible potential target market for ARWR.
Now, figure ARWR can achieve RNAi efficacious drugs for only 1/100 of them. That's 150 drugs.
If each drug can reach, say, only 500,000 patients per year, at a cost of $10,000/year, the math is:
150 x 500,000 x $10,000 = $750b. Of course, building up to that will requires years of staffing and IP development, but, ultimately, it IS possible to pierce that $100b annual sales revenue number, as you can see.
RNAi is not a permanent cure for many diseases, but, like ARC-AAT, an ongoing successful treatment, so, for those diseases, much of the revenue is recurring.
I also believe that we need to be conservative in revenue modeling, because, as you can see from what is happening even now, scrutiny of big Pharma's predatory pricing models is only heating up. It is wisest to price drugs reasonably and reach more of the patient market to compile revenues and profits - this is good both for the patients and the economy: my modles, therefore, always uses that pricing logic.
The information in your post above and the economics I have just spelled out are apparent and will be recognized by market investors once they are convinced beyond a doubt that ARWR has the goods and is on its way to this buisness model. Then, paying up at current prices is nothing compared to where it will be.